I see that you work seriously and I will try to follow you immediately because the comments are useful while the commented matter still is fresh.
I received an email from Jil that the gross area of the building should be about 35000 sq.f. and that you should compose its program by yourself. My dissertation was on the topic of libraries, also I have experience in some competitions on this topic. Recently the libraries develop as culture centers, a kind of buildings that you work on.
The conversation (because the remote reviewing work is a kind of conversation) between two architects is strange when one of them doesn’t have a “pencil” in his hand. When I was checking the works of my real students I was much more drawing than speaking. It would be useful if I could upload now some diagrams than to explain verbally. But let's explain only by words now:
1. Divide more clear the big groups of rooms/spaces with their cores and put them in order. 2. Don’t miss the supporting area for all the big groups (storages, staff area). 3. Don’t miss the external connections. Some of the rooms/spaces will have but others shouldn’t. The access would be through the central spaces. It is possible some of the rooms be used after midnight, for example, while others will be closed at 10 P.M. 4. Better is to remove some connections that not are “extra” but are not logical ( for example between art and music spaces and aerobic zone). The bubble diagram is a base of the future project and if it is not clear, the visitors would wonder how to find the place where they want to go. Excuse me if my comments sounds “cruel”. If you were not working hard, I would not follow you hard . Nadya
Hello Ori. You're heading in the right direction. Please reflect on the connections between spaces and try to see them as the end user would. Some of them might not make that much sense, namely the the green and orange groups in the bubble diagram. Unless you meant to make them independent or almost independent with primary access from the street or public plaza (if it is, it is not reflected on the diagram). If you did it's ok but you should review the diagram anyway. If not, you should follow Ms. Stamatova's advice and add or remove some connections. Her 3rd point is on spot in this regard. Regarding her 4th point I understand why you connected those 3 spaces (maybe you're trying to make some link between music, art and physical activities) but a connection to the lobby is paramount.
The connections are divided in 3 simple definitions: "must have", "should have", and "would be nice". Or in other terms mandatory, desirable and optional/complementary.
If you do one quick exercise of eliminating all optional connections you end up with at least 3 islands with no connection to the main building/group of rooms. Which means that there are mandatory connections that are missing. Even if those "islands" were to be accessed directly from the street they should (ideally) be also accessible by the interior of the center. You should review this diagram as soon as possible before going on to the next stage.
Dear Ori, based on you matrix of spaces, I am still not sure what kind of building you are trying to design. look at the previous assignment, where you analyzed the space organization. I think you did start breaking it down into the various function, but I am not sure you are complete. Think who uses this building. There is always the supporting staff, and the visitors. Good start, but you have a long way to go.
Ok, here is a resume: Ori, put at least 30% (parking is not included in these 30%) supporting functions over the 100% that you mean for visitors.: 1. Parking area: back yard - for clean delivery and for garbage; parking for the visitors, parking for the staff 2. Stores: for books, musical instruments, food, garbage, cleaning materials 3. WC 4. Corridors and vertical communcation (stairs, lifts) could be in yor diagram only lines between the bubbles but also they could be included in the lobbies-depends by you 5. May be you wouold need kids' area - don't ignore the young partents 6. Rooms for staff - connected to the rooms for the visitors, but could be grouped in one admisnitrative area - link to the parking for the staff 7. Facilities for heating/airconditioning, main electrical room, watermeter,etc. I have realised that always the clients expect small space for all of them but the HVAC and other engineers at least double this space after making their calculations Sorry, my 2 previous not successfully publsihed comments were longer, but now am in a hurry :)
Even though this was a September post I think is still relevant to say that the bubble diagram lacks hierarchy. Your analysis diagrams are in general very good but you need to apply them to your diagrams. Simplicity is key and difficult to achieve.
I think you should group the different bubbles in 3 or 4 big areas and graphically strength them. Then each big area will have its own smaller bubbles.
You have talked about 3 aspects of your project: Personal development, physical development and spiritual development. I can see this from the different colours but then this is lost with the weak links. I think you could use the cafe/juice-bar/lobby perhaps as a centre that connects the others. The diagram and building will be more clear.
So summarising, I would go back one step to do a simpler diagram with 3 or 4 bubbles and then re-do the multi-bubble diagram according to the first one. You will see that both the diagrams and the project will gain in clarity and integrity.
Hope this helps.
You work hard and have good eye, but it's easy to get lost in details.
Good morning Ori,
ReplyDeleteI see that you work seriously and I will try to follow you immediately because the comments are useful while the commented matter still is fresh.
I received an email from Jil that the gross area of the building should be about 35000 sq.f. and that you should compose its program by yourself. My dissertation was on the topic of libraries, also I have experience in some competitions on this topic. Recently the libraries develop as culture centers, a kind of buildings that you work on.
The conversation (because the remote reviewing work is a kind of conversation) between two architects is strange when one of them doesn’t have a “pencil” in his hand. When I was checking the works of my real students I was much more drawing than speaking. It would be useful if I could upload now some diagrams than to explain verbally. But let's explain only by words now:
1. Divide more clear the big groups of rooms/spaces with their cores and put them in order.
2. Don’t miss the supporting area for all the big groups (storages, staff area).
3. Don’t miss the external connections. Some of the rooms/spaces will have but others shouldn’t. The access would be through the central spaces. It is possible some of the rooms be used after midnight, for example, while others will be closed at 10 P.M.
4. Better is to remove some connections that not are “extra” but are not logical ( for example between art and music spaces and aerobic zone).
The bubble diagram is a base of the future project and if it is not clear, the visitors would wonder how to find the place where they want to go.
Excuse me if my comments sounds “cruel”. If you were not working hard, I would not follow you hard .
Nadya
Hello Ori.
ReplyDeleteYou're heading in the right direction.
Please reflect on the connections between spaces and try to see them as the end user would. Some of them might not make that much sense, namely the the green and orange groups in the bubble diagram.
Unless you meant to make them independent or almost independent with primary access from the street or public plaza (if it is, it is not reflected on the diagram). If you did it's ok but you should review the diagram anyway. If not, you should follow Ms. Stamatova's advice and add or remove some connections. Her 3rd point is on spot in this regard. Regarding her 4th point I understand why you connected those 3 spaces (maybe you're trying to make some link between music, art and physical activities) but a connection to the lobby is paramount.
The connections are divided in 3 simple definitions: "must have", "should have", and "would be nice". Or in other terms mandatory, desirable and optional/complementary.
If you do one quick exercise of eliminating all optional connections you end up with at least 3 islands with no connection to the main building/group of rooms. Which means that there are mandatory connections that are missing. Even if those "islands" were to be accessed directly from the street they should (ideally) be also accessible by the interior of the center.
You should review this diagram as soon as possible before going on to the next stage.
Keep up the good work.
ES
Dear Ori,
ReplyDeletebased on you matrix of spaces, I am still not sure what kind of building you are trying to design. look at the previous assignment, where you analyzed the space organization.
I think you did start breaking it down into the various function, but I am not sure you are complete. Think who uses this building. There is always the supporting staff, and the visitors. Good start, but you have a long way to go.
I have sent 2 additional comments but they don't appear, I don't know why.
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DeleteOk, here is a resume:
Ori, put at least 30% (parking is not included in these 30%) supporting functions over the 100% that you mean for visitors.:
1. Parking area: back yard - for clean delivery and for garbage; parking for the visitors, parking for the staff
2. Stores: for books, musical instruments, food, garbage, cleaning materials
3. WC
4. Corridors and vertical communcation (stairs, lifts) could be in yor diagram only lines between the bubbles but also they could be included in the lobbies-depends by you
5. May be you wouold need kids' area - don't ignore the young partents
6. Rooms for staff - connected to the rooms for the visitors, but could be grouped in one admisnitrative area - link to the parking for the staff
7. Facilities for heating/airconditioning, main electrical room, watermeter,etc. I have realised that always the clients expect small space for all of them but the HVAC and other engineers at least double this space after making their calculations
Sorry, my 2 previous not successfully publsihed comments were longer, but now am in a hurry :)
Very solid advices over here. Keep them in mind Ori.
DeleteWhen there's a stage there is always a backstage.
And nº 7 is a universal truth. =)
Hi Ori:
ReplyDeleteEven though this was a September post I think is still relevant to say that the bubble diagram lacks hierarchy. Your analysis diagrams are in general very good but you need to apply them to your diagrams. Simplicity is key and difficult to achieve.
I think you should group the different bubbles in 3 or 4 big areas and graphically strength them. Then each big area will have its own smaller bubbles.
You have talked about 3 aspects of your project: Personal development, physical development and spiritual development. I can see this from the different colours but then this is lost with the weak links. I think you could use the cafe/juice-bar/lobby perhaps as a centre that connects the others. The diagram and building will be more clear.
So summarising, I would go back one step to do a simpler diagram with 3 or 4 bubbles and then re-do the multi-bubble diagram according to the first one. You will see that both the diagrams and the project will gain in clarity and integrity.
Hope this helps.
You work hard and have good eye, but it's easy to get lost in details.
Kind regards,
Daveed